Comments on: Jharkhand Forum hot discussions on interfering in to the lives of Tribals (Adivasi) of India http://adivasi.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/jharkhand-forum-hot-discussions-on-interfering-in-to-the-lives-of-tribals-adivasi-of-india/ Adivasi Tribal Jharkhand MP Orissa Chhattisgarh Bengal Kerela Andhra Pradesh Gujurat Mahrastra Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:20:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Dr. Vincent Barla http://adivasi.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/jharkhand-forum-hot-discussions-on-interfering-in-to-the-lives-of-tribals-adivasi-of-india/#comment-160 Dr. Vincent Barla Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:31:51 +0000 http://adivasi.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/jharkhand-forum-hot-discussions-on-interfering-in-to-the-lives-of-tribals-adivasi-of-india/#comment-160 I received the message of Shri Ujjwal Oranon but I would not like to comment in favour of what he has said because it may be based on his personal experience. However, I would like to share my experience. I was born and brought up in Andamans because in 1960 we were made to settle down in those Islands. We were 11 families in our village and out of 11 only four families were not christian. We use to celebrate every of our festivals as per our tribals culture and traditions and Catholic church never acted as a impediment in following our culture and traditions. These four families are still non-christian. No priest or nun ever visited these four families asking them to convert even though the catholic church was hardly 2 k.m. away from our village. I studied in a Government school but the catholic priest use to take a class of moral education of half an hour prior to start of our classes but he never said any thing bad about other religions. The priest never use to tell us about bible alone but he will tell us many examples of good and bad by telling us stories etc. Thereafter for my matriculation i stayed in a church hostel and studied for two year in a Catholic school but no point of time the priests or nun spoke bad about other religions and neither I found them trying to convert people in Andamans. Now my own brother and a cousin is a catholic priest. They will often tell me that they don't get enough finances to even manage their ordinary affairs. I knew what Sarna religion is from my childhood and as such I consider it to be a root for deeping our faith in one Almighty God. Therefore, as an Adivasi, I must say: 1. We tribals must be united 2. If some missionaries are terming other religions bad, that is wrong as per the teaching of catholic church and that is bad 3. If some one tries to convert somebody to christianity by alurement, that is not as per the teaching of catholic church and is bad I believe that No one should hurt the religious sentiments of others. I received the message of Shri Ujjwal Oranon but I would not like to comment in favour of what he has said because it may be based on his personal experience. However, I would like to share my experience. I was born and brought up in Andamans because in 1960 we were made to settle down in those Islands. We were 11 families in our village and out of 11 only four families were not christian. We use to celebrate every of our festivals as per our tribals culture and traditions and Catholic church never acted as a impediment in following our culture and traditions. These four families are still non-christian. No priest or nun ever visited these four families asking them to convert even though the catholic church was hardly 2 k.m. away from our village. I studied in a Government school but the catholic priest use to take a class of moral education of half an hour prior to start of our classes but he never said any thing bad about other religions. The priest never use to tell us about bible alone but he will tell us many examples of good and bad by telling us stories etc. Thereafter for my matriculation i stayed in a church hostel and studied for two year in a Catholic school but no point of time the priests or nun spoke bad about other religions and neither I found them trying to convert people in Andamans. Now my own brother and a cousin is a catholic priest. They will often tell me that they don’t get enough finances to even manage their ordinary affairs. I knew what Sarna religion is from my childhood and as such I consider it to be a root for deeping our faith in one Almighty God. Therefore, as an Adivasi, I must say:
1. We tribals must be united
2. If some missionaries are terming other religions bad, that is wrong as per the teaching of catholic church and that is bad
3. If some one tries to convert somebody to christianity by alurement, that is not as per the teaching of catholic church and is bad

I believe that No one should hurt the religious sentiments of others.

]]> By: Ujjwal Oraon http://adivasi.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/jharkhand-forum-hot-discussions-on-interfering-in-to-the-lives-of-tribals-adivasi-of-india/#comment-158 Ujjwal Oraon Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:21:28 +0000 http://adivasi.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/jharkhand-forum-hot-discussions-on-interfering-in-to-the-lives-of-tribals-adivasi-of-india/#comment-158 Nowadays conversions business has been slowed down. However, it is still taking place in the interior places where father and Sisters are working in the name of tribal welfare, but, their main target are the Sarna Adivasi who are still professing the Animistic forms of religion.. This is very wrong and sinful on the part of fathers or sisters who insist for converting one illiterate to the other religion. Can missionary sisters or fathers will allow preaching other religion in their primary and high schools. They generally condemn other religions and lure the innocents to their religion. They never tell about the demerits of Christianity. Which rules Christian like a tyranny ruler? If you are raising any discomfort question about their rules, they simply will not issue you the church letters on the occasion of marriage and death. Once upon a time there was no division in the Adivasi community, when everyone used to follow Sarna religion. However, foreigner came and divided our society. Which is still being carried out by the Adivasi brothers and Sisters. Now, Christians and Church in particular, are talking about unity in the society when they get physical or other threats from the hinduvadi elements, which have come in the Adivasi society on the line of missionary. . However, at heart, they never feel brotherhoodness for the Sarna Adivasi. If missionary would have done only welfare to the Adivasi, the Adivasi society would worship them by installing their statue. However, they imposed their philosophy unto the Adivasi society and tried at their best to destroy the Adivasi ethos. They shepherd the Adivasi into the four brick wall of church in the name of their so-called welfare. Where only their philosophy of division is working against Adivasi society they don't want to mix with Sarna. Usually, they don't like to invite Sarna Adivasi in their social events nor want to attend the Sarna family in theirs. They wed their girls with non-tribals with full social consent, and also bring girls from non tribals in the name of Christianity. However, if any Christian boy or girl falls in love with Sarna girl or boy they insist to convert into their religion first. They want to make one feel that unless and until one is not converted into Christianity, one cannot progress. For this purpose, they usually target those Sarna boys and girls who are somehow getting education. So that less educated could be convinced with these arguments. Nowadays conversions business has been slowed down. However, it is still taking place in the interior places where father and Sisters are working in the name of tribal welfare, but, their main target are the Sarna Adivasi who are still professing the Animistic forms of religion.. This is very wrong and sinful on the part of fathers or sisters who insist for converting one illiterate to the other religion. Can missionary sisters or fathers will allow preaching other religion in their primary and high schools. They generally condemn other religions and lure the innocents to their religion. They never tell about the demerits of Christianity. Which rules Christian like a tyranny ruler? If you are raising any discomfort question about their rules, they simply will not issue you the church letters on the occasion of marriage and death. Once upon a time there was no division in the Adivasi community, when everyone used to follow Sarna religion. However, foreigner came and divided our society. Which is still being carried out by the Adivasi brothers and Sisters. Now, Christians and Church in particular, are talking about unity in the society when they get physical or other threats from the hinduvadi elements, which have come in the Adivasi society on the line of missionary. . However, at heart, they never feel brotherhoodness for the Sarna Adivasi. If missionary would have done only welfare to the Adivasi, the Adivasi society would worship them by installing their statue. However, they imposed their philosophy unto the Adivasi society and tried at their best to destroy the Adivasi ethos. They shepherd the Adivasi into the four brick wall of church in the name of their so-called welfare. Where only their philosophy of division is working against Adivasi society they don’t want to mix with Sarna. Usually, they don’t like to invite Sarna Adivasi in their social events nor want to attend the Sarna family in theirs. They wed their girls with non-tribals with full social consent, and also bring girls from non tribals in the name of Christianity. However, if any Christian boy or girl falls in love with Sarna girl or boy they insist to convert into their religion first. They want to make one feel that unless and until one is not converted into Christianity, one cannot progress. For this purpose, they usually target those Sarna boys and girls who are somehow getting education. So that less educated could be convinced with these arguments.

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